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Savio · Mar 18, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Bob of Maple Ave

On a side note, I do think there needs to be a move towards increasing levels by the next expansion (it should've been factions). If I don't see a move in that direction, I'm going to be taking guy's post a little more seriously...

So what if Anet got rid of the dumb concept of levels entirely? I'd still play - heck, I'd be even more interested. More arbitrary numbers ftl.

dreamhunk · Mar 18, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

Yea know what i have to say to guy who wrote that. He has no idea what rpg is. I reread the hole thing. You don't need levels to make it an rpg. You need role playing. That is what makes rpg fun.

Even D&D online has a level cap!

I also have to state there is alot of game makers out there that try to make a real rpg game. the holy grail of rpg game makers is to make the perfect rpg game. In a game it is hard to do, thus you get some type of grind in all rpg games.

I do think anet cares about who plays this game. as for MMORPG I think gw is MMORPG.

You have to give Anet a break they are a new company. They are going to make their mistakes.

However it does make you wonder with some of the other points.

"but certain elements essential to RPGs like character developments and uniqueness, legendary weapons and armor, trading and crafting systems, are all basically non-existent in Guild Wars"

I would agree with this too.

If any one has the beta box. It does say on the box

" It's about having fun

With personally spawned missions for all groups, guild Wars focuses on what's fun in a role-playing game "

I wonder what is writen on the newer games boxies, because when I was talking to someone on the net. he or she had said there were no rpg list on the back of the box.

On My CE there is nothing stating pvp or rpg on the box! I don't have the top part of CE so I cannot comfirm pvp or rpg.

As to anet I know your small company, You have done great job. I know how hard it is make in the game business. You have something great in your hands. This game could be the best selling game on the market. You need to add these great things in the game to make it rock. I think anet needs to resech pvp a little more and rpg a little.

Metanoia · Mar 18, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by Savio

So what if Anet got rid of the dumb concept of levels entirely? I'd still play - heck, I'd be even more interested. More arbitrary numbers ftl.

I actually had a question based on that in my original post, decided to stick to quotes though...

Why is there a level system in the game at all? If you think about their original goal/concept, there's no real reason for it except as a kind of mini-grind* to keep people playing the campaign.

*Grind: What some "RPGs" use to give people a sense of purpose if the plot isn't exactly enthralling and/or the gameplay itself isn't reason enough to play.

This brings you back to the "Was GW misrepresented as a free pseudo-MMORPG" question.

Double · Mar 18, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Metanoia

Glorified chat channels don't count anyway.

Edit: Double, I'd be surprised if PvE-only players weren't in fact the minority. Maybe a few polls are in order to find out?

Of the people still playing the game PvE-only players may be a miniority though I doubt it.

GvG is the best PvP that GW has to offer. I look at the ladder and the bottom of the top 1000 is full of guilds which have only played one game. Unless there are a whole bunch of guilds which consistently loose (what fun that must be) I doubt there are more than 1000 guilds which regularly GvG. Say a generous 20 members each and that is 20,000 players - a tiny proportion (2%) of the 1 million+ that purchased Prophecies.

GW has been funded mostly by people who no longer play, maybe they were happy and will come back for another helping with Factions, maybe they won't and GW is dead.

Bob of Maple Ave · Mar 19, 2006, 02:07 AM // 02:07

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Originally Posted by Savio

So what if Anet got rid of the dumb concept of levels entirely? I'd still play - heck, I'd be even more interested. More arbitrary numbers ftl.

Progression and items are the two most addictive elements in an MMORPG. Do you really think that leveling is "dumb?" How many people do you think would buy GW if they knew they could get to the max level in the first day of playing?

I've been playing RPGs for almost 22 years (starting with pen and paper Dungeons and Dragons when I was 8). Yes, RPGs are about storyline. But if you don't have progression, and acquisition....you don't have an RPG at all. You have a board game, or a movie.

I bought this game because I was getting a MMORPG with better graphics than anything out there, and a better pricing structure. If Guild Wars had the graphics and pricing structure that it has, as well as the items and progression of the other games (and perhaps a Z axis), it would absolutely rule the market.

What I say stands. Even though this game isn't a traditional MMORPG, I play it for those aspects. A ton of people do, I'm sure. If I don't see a move to continuously increase and update MMORPG content, as well as increasing levels...then I simply won't buy.

And for the record, the #1 complaint I hear about this game is the level cap.

PS. Yes, D&D online has a level cap...but there are 5 ranks to each level, and 10 levels (for a total of 50 levels), and clear intentions to increase the level cap in the future.

Loviatar · Mar 19, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Bob of Maple Ave

Progression and items are the two most addictive elements in an MMORPG. Do you really think that leveling is "dumb?"

yes i do

i am level 1 and have a level 1 fireball that kills the level 2 monsters in 2-3 hits.
i am level 5 and have a level 5 fireball that kills the level 7 monsters in 2-3 hits.
i am level 10 and have a level 10 fireball that kills the level 12 monsters in 2-3 hits.
i am level 20 and have a level 20 fireball that kills the level 22 monsters in 2-3 hits.
i am level 40 and have a level 40 fireball that kills the level 42 monsters in 2-3 hits.
i am level 400 and have a level 400 fireball that kills the level 420monsters in 2-3 hits.
OMG I RULZ THE NOOBZ

LOOK AT MY GREAT PROGRESS
where is the increase in challenge?
where is anything changing except the number?

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How many people do you think would buy GW if they knew they could get to the max level in the first day of playing?

according to the sales figures a whole lot of them in spite of the screams of anguish at the level cap

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And for the record, the #1 complaint I hear about this game is the level cap.

and still they keep buying it

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I bought GuildWars because I thought it was a pure MMORPG and I like the pricing structure.

which it is not and one thing they are adamant on is no level increase just so grinders can hold their heads above the little people going look how elite i am and i have the level number to prove i am superior to you

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and i was rolling the funny dice 30+ years ago

Bob of Maple Ave · Mar 19, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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